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This group chat was conducted via Zoom on Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 9:00 PM EST. My guests include Peter Sereno, Noemi Melendez, Sabrina Solomon, Hector Joaquin, George of The Pageant Empress, and Brian Javier. We discuss the results of the Miss Universe 2022 finals held in New Orleans on January 14, 2023.
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:22 – Sabrina, George, Hector enter the chat room
1:10 – Brian joins the chat room
3:03 – Peter joins the chat room
3:17 – Noemi joins the chat room
4:02 – All of us are in different time zones
5:48 – Brian and Noemi attended the pageant; they said they couldn’t do selfies and didn’t give the reason why LOL
6:32 – Rafa and Hector are planning to travel together to Vietnam for Miss Grand International in October. Who else is going?
7:35 – Peter throws shade at MU
8:17 – Miss World will be held in Dubai in May?
8:37 – Miss Wales had a car accident
9:05 – Miss America has a new owner, Robin Fleming, What changes will she implement?
11:11 – We congratulate Brian for doing the best coverage of MU; his number of subscribers exponentially grew
12:38 – Rafa launched superchat
13:13 – Brian shares his New Orleans experience, his interaction with the contestants; disorganized; chaotic
14:29 – Peter asks, “Where’s the tea?”
15:02 – New Orleans is not safe, but also has a lot of culture, food is expensive
16:02 – The guests introduce themselves; Peter is the “resident snowflake” lol
19:56 – Hector loves Khun Anne; Anne blocked Rafa
20:25 – Summer of Crown Sisters says hi; Roger of Pageant Nerd was also invited but still recovering from his surgery
21:01 – Noemi shares her New Orleans experience; overpriced; horrible roads; long line leading to the entrance of the venue; people rushed to their seats; she got pushed; no signs in the sitting section. “It was a mess!” “The worst event ever!” Thai fans walked out when Thailand wasn’t called to top 16. She was able to move to a better seat.
28:03 – Brian comments on the telecast – they did a good job selling it but it didn’t look anything in real life
28:38 – Brian was treated harshly by MUO security – he brought this up with Tawn, the creative director who told him that it will not happen again.
31:08 – Brian interviewed Tawn; how was Tawn like in person? He is the oppositie of Anne who is hyper. They form a good balance. We shouldn’t just Anne yet until the next production because the last one was still under IMG
33:13 – Did Brian speak with Paula Shugart? Paula has also blocked Rafa. LOL. Brian advice viewers to write to Paula and Anne to express their sentiments about the production, etc.
35:58 – Lots of miscommunication between the Thai group (Anne & Tawn) and the U.S. group (Paula and company); Noemi says some of the old MUO staff are back
37:00 – Briand on the Brand Agency – MUO’s new public relations department. Brian questions why the mainstream media were given access (even though they have a low reach) instead of pageant vloggers who have bigger reach. Peter shares his expertise on PR. Peter jokes about Rafa being blocked. Who else is blocked by MUO? Missosology/Pawee.
40:53 – Rafa reads viewers comments. A viewer who attended the pageant said that some people were standing on their seats
41:51 – Stage is small; the rows of chairs on the same level
42:17 – Rafa says the opening reminds him of MU 1993, he likes the carnival motif; some of the audience members didn’t show any reaction
44:05 – Bring back the production from the 1980s and 1990s
Peter tells younger viewers to do their research and watch old MU shows.
45:13 – Brian says MGI’s music is on point compared to MU.
45:44 – The entertainers. Peter throws shade at singer Amanda Shaw; but we all love Yolanda Adams singing “I’m Every Woman.” Who is “Tank and the Bangas?”
47:43 – The Selection Committee – 7 women and 1 man who sometimes thinks he’s a woman. Brian unloads on “women empowerment” – he hates the anti-man concept of MUO – even though he considers himself a feminist. Every woman on the stage has at least 3 gay men supporting her. Brian says last year in Israel, men were not allowed to sit in the front row. 90% of the audience is men.
51:44 – It was in 2018 that MUO started putting all women in the judging panel
52:03 – Rafa says he has to be careful and watch his language due to YouTube’s stricter community guidelines
52:40 – How would each guest rate the production from a scale of 1 to 10? Surprising comments. Great commentary by Peter about men who have elevated women in the last 70 years. “It’s a dishonor to the past winners/organizers.” There will always be a level of objectification in pageants. Brian both agrees and disagrees with Peter.
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1:00:27 – Superchat: Does USA deserve the title? Were the results rigged? USA was a silent killer.
1:02:31 – Noemi rates the production with a 7; she thinks the next edition's production will be much better because it will be totally conducted by Anne; Puerto Rico's mother believes that the results were rigged. Noemi defends USA's win.
1:07:27 – Hector thinks Puerto Rico is a pageant patty; he also defends USA
1:08:31 – George gives the production a 5.5. It feels like a local pageant. He says that TPN Global produced the 2018 show in Thailand. George displays a photo of Venezuela and USA who both have background in sustainability.
1:12:00 – Brian interviewed all 5 finalists and asked them the same question on transformational leadership. Rafa tells viewers to be aggressively recruiting for young girls/women with strong transformational leader qualities.
1:13:52 – Sabrina says Philippines lost because she had no platform; Brian thinks Philippines was disconnected even though he had placed her in the top 5.
1:15:09 – Hector says Philippines was rude with the chaperones; Rafa thinks it's the Italian temperament. Brian says that Italy and Philippines were distant and not bubbly as the other girls.
1:17:01 – Brian gives the production a 6. Brian says MUO needs a consultant from the pageant community.
1:17:58 – Rafa gives a 4.5 because "they blocked me" lol
1:18:01 – Let's rate the president of El Salvador from a scale of 1 to 10. Let's all go to El Salvador in December! lol
1:19:00 – How much did El Salvador pay to host the next edition?
1:19:53 – El Salvador hosted MU in 1975; Rafa advice the young viewers to watch it
1:20:40 – Who is the biggest disappointment and surprise among the top 16? Canada, Laos.
1:22:08 – Jamaica
1:22:42 – Cambodia
1:22:56 – Laos won the fan vote; Rafa says he was attacked by the supporters of Laos. If Laos had not made the top 16, maybe another non-Asian country would have made the cut. India was the flag bearer of Asia for 3 consecutive years.
1:24:34 – Spain – the only girl trained by Filipinos that made the top 16
1:26:14 – Thailand (winner of Social Impact Award). Rafa asks if there had been a top 20, those 4 eliminated Southeast Asian countries would have made the cut?
1:28:15 – Haiti, Trinidad & Tobago, Portugal
1:28:59 – Guatemala
1:29:22 – Special awards – a few days later, Anne started announcing the winners, but what is the purpose of this delay?
1:30:51 – Vietnam wins the Best Cape; how did she win?
Rafa likes USA's cape the best. Brian – "End the capes!". The capes took away from the girls. Distracting.
1:32:28 – The girls got to choose their swimsuit style; Brian doesn't like it.
1:33:01 – Rumor – Gabriela Isler, Venezuela's ND, demanded a recount
1:33:11 – Rumor – some national directors will lose the franchise next year because they oppose MUO's woke policies. Maybe Lupita Jones of Mexico? Noemi took a photo of Lupita at the airport. Brian says Lupita is not friendly.
1:34:25 – The video clip after each girl was called – it was boring. Rafa says he watched MU 2009 when all top 15 were called without interruption. Rafa's comment of Dominican Republic's video clip on women's rights ("free abortion").
1:36:05 – Let's go back to the basics. Let's mix the old and the new. No more three-hour shows. If more countries participate, maybe they should turn it into a reality show.
1:37:08 – Co-hosts Jeannie Mai and Olivia Culpo. Bring back Mario Lopez? Jerry Springer and Mel B? Ryan Seacrest? TIm Vincent? Harry and Meghan?
1:40:06 – Rafa doesn't want to see woke people to host in El Salvador because it's a Latin country where machismo rules!
1:40:55 – Harnaaz butchers Kyrgyzstan's name
1:41:43 – Harnaaz's final walk and gown that pays tribute to Sushmita Sen and Lara Dutta; she bowed to the new crown
1:43:16 – Rafa asks why Latina winners like dumping the crown on non-Latina winners. lol
1:43:55 – Brian says we have been cruel to Harnaaz; invites the pageant community to send love to her
1:44:50 – Peter commends Harnaaz for her grace and dignity despite unfair criticism from her detractors.
1:45:45 – Brian says Harnaaz should have been honest about her personal issues; Sabrina agrees especially with women with hormones issue. (Brian thought Sabrina called him "homo" LMAO!)
1:48:06 – What are Harnaaz's plans after her reign? Hector says she is well-known in Bollywood. Sabrina says Bollywood is superficial. Brian says Harnaaz needs to take time for herself. Rafa says past MU winners from India didn't make it big in Bollywood. Maybe Harnaaz will become a big social media influencer like Urvashi Rautela (MU India 2015).
1:50:13 – You don't need to join MU to create an impact. Brian thinks Dom. Rep. will do well in Hollywood.
1:51:10 – Rafa asks if pageants will continue to thrive? What is the future of pageants especially if women these days can be instant stars just by creating TikTok videos?
1:52:39 – Zuleyka Rivera
1:53:11 – Brian acknowledges the national directors who came to New Orleans to support their girls; Magali Febles is the best ND this year.
1:54:20 – Crystle Stewart
1:54:44 – Morgan Romano is the new Miss USA; What would Miss Montana USA Heather O'Keefe say now? Heather did a video after Miss Universe claiming that she hadn't seen the clause in the contract saying that MUO has the right to change the results of the pageant. Noemi vents, saying that Montana started the whole accusation of rigging. Why didn't Montana's state director intervene?
1:57:36 – R'Bonney competed in the most competitive state; Heather hasn't apologized to R'Bonney. R'Bonney's end goal was Miss Universe, while the others just wanted to be Miss USA.
1:59:45 – The perks that MU Thailand will receive even if she didn't place in Top 16
2:00:58 – Morgan was quiet during the entire Miss USA rigging controversy; she did not attend MU.
2:01:29 – Brian is the only one in the group who predicted USA as the winner; we all did terrible with our top 16 predictions. The energy would shift during the annoucement.
2:04:20 – Drastic cut from top16 to top 5. Some people love this format
2:05:18 – Who wore the best gown? Brian says nobody cares about the designer. It's all about the gown.
2:07:07 – Mauritius and Angola (from Supranational to Universe)
2:08:05 – The Bahamas
2:08:41 – Curacao – will she compete in Supra or Grand?
2:09:13 – MUO will release the interviews of the top 16. Rafa says MUO should start livestreaming the interviews like Grand had done last year
2:10:20 – Rafa asks Brian to put in a good word for him to Anne LOL
2:10:51 – Rafa – "Please stop bullying!" – We are all transformational leaders and forces for good. Keep it up and the world would be a better place. Variety is a spice of life. Learn something from criticisms, good or bad. Don't take everything seriously. Brian cites his experience with Tita Lavinia of Titas of Pageantry. Despite all our differences, "we are all One Universe," says Brian. George wears the old MU crown.
2:14:32 – Did Brian and Noemi buy any souvenirs?
2:15:06 – The Miss Universe tote bag
2:15:43 – Wrap-up. Rafa thanks his guests. We send best wishes to Sabrina.
2:18:36 – "This wouldn't be Critical Beauty if there wouldn't be politics involved," Brian jokingly says lol
2:18:48 – Next pageant: Miss Charm International in February. We will have a group chat.
2:19:44 – Goodbyes
"Maybe she was was having her time of the month. A true woman by the way." Rafa defending Lupita Jones against rumors that Lupita doesn't smile at her fans. SO people who menstruate are the only "true" women, which follows that Khun Ann (owner of Miss Universe) isn't? You need to educate yourself more about gender, transgenderism, and the word woman. Don't dictate to others what/who a true woman is or isn't; it's not your expertise nor your lived experience to speak on behalf of all women.
The Thai’s knows Ann won’t get the crown but upset that most sea candidates did not get placement. They just don’t like the new owner They agree with all top 5, and agree Miss USA deserved the crown.
Notice that the two latinos, hector and brian barely react to nayib of el salvador? Maybr the two of them thinking "why so enamored he's very pedestrian".
Only the two baklas of philippinrs so thirsty lol 😂
I love this group chat! It’s eye-opening and everyone seems sincere and honest about their opinions. Nothing is whitewashed. Good job Brian for covering the pageant. Rafa ever so blunt and funny at the same time. Peter is always so calm and logical which is rare for a snowflake 😂
It’s the security guard of the convention center were very rude . They would not let us use the restroom and wants us leave the convention center like animals. VERY RUDE people and racist . We took a video of it .
You lost me at “Celeste is not a real Filipino” Not kool.
I'm sorry. This year's MU is a mess. This new Era is focusing more on achievements and intelligence . Rather than beauty. Goodbye Miss Universe "BEAUTY" Pageant.
Maybe a spanish speaking host?
I really love watching these lives. It's like sitting down with a group of friends, even if I don't agree with the views. Great stuff.
1:13:46
Dominican Republic had free abortion on the video because she supports women’s right to choose over her own body. And it’s a cause that MU also supports.
Tita Rafa any thoughts about Miss Canada's pasarela? 😂
True about Italian. ir with Italian blood . I know someone who is very snobbish .
The dude with the parrot beak for a nose, Hector! You are a jerk for saying “next” about Harnaaz…. Pendejo
Sabrina solomon. Shes like hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil 😅
Hector, if you can't provide your source, that means that your source is suspect. Because I can easily say that my sources say that Hector lies on a consistent basis.
I agree with the ND. The live scores for the swimsuit and evening gown competitions need to come back to the TV telecast.
The Pageant Institute is the smartest in the panel. Majority of people who watch pageants are expecting pretty and sexy women. And so do sponsors and TV networks. These are the reasons why pageants are no longer relevant in the Western World because post-Trump these criteria's were not met.
MU needs at least 2 men judges and 1 male host
I agree that "I'm every woman" was the only good song that was performed in MU 2022
Post Trump era, America has never understood the magnitude and popularity of MU in the States.